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He shall cover thee with His feathers, and under His wings shalt thou find refuge: His truth is a shield and buckler
Psalms 91:4

Be it ours,when we cannot see the face of God, to trust under the shadow of His wings. C.H. Spugeon

Friday, April 27, 2012

Hell: Theological

Theological


*Eliminating a doctrine of eternal Hell does not mean eliminating justice, judgement, punishment, and so on
+If our reward is eternity in Heaven, then the only option for justice to be served is Hell


*Eternal Hell is entirely unnecessary to any traditional view of salvation, no matter how exclusivist
+The traditional view of salvation is rescue from our sin and its inevitable judgment


*Eternal Hell does nothing whatsoever to glorify God, unless the powerful torturing the weak is glorious
+God is not glorified in totrture, but in the revelation of His nature as Holy and Just... His power is evident in His willingness and ability to provide a way out from the power of sin


*Eternal Hell is about vindication of an exclusive, violent orthodoxy even at an infinite cost to those left out
+Eternal Hell is about the choices made by men in their lives to accept or reject the salvation offered them by the satisfactory sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God's Son


*Eternal Hell renders God’s love meaningless – no definition of love could include allowing infinite torture
+God's love is made manifest in that while we rejected Him and denied Him His place in the world, He still loved us enough to send His Son as a replacement for the justice to be served by me


*Eternal Hell renders God’s justice meaningless, unless God’s justice is infinitely more retributive than human justice
+God's justice is upon all men and is served upon each. it is not retributive as the world of men define, but intentional as the only recourse appropriate to an offence against a Holy God


*Eternal Hell renders God’s mercy meaningless – there is eternal punishment which will never abate
+God's mercy is evident in this world being that we still have an opportunity to accept the salvation offered... and His mercy is further evident in that grace trumps all


*Eternal Hell renders God’s sovereignty meaningless if God is good – God is impotent to save the vast majority of humans
+God's sovereingty if understood and valued as that, would mean, in any other economy, a large measure of respect and an acceptance of a sovereign will determining what is good in every life, there is no impotence to save by God, only an unwiilingness to accept by men


*Eternal Hell renders God’s power meaningless, since God’s plan to restore all creation can be foiled by human sin
+Human sin is the raeson for the display of God's power in the redemptive act of Jesus Christ, it was not foiled, it was necessary


*Eternal Hell renders God’s omniscience meaningless, since God just can’t figure out how to save most people
+People won't figure out or acept God's plan of salvation


*Eternal Hell renders God’s holiness meaningless, given that evil and sin and torture would be eternal
+God's holiness screams for the presence of Hell, it is the only fitting recourse to lives lived in denial of God and His goodness, sin and evil are not eternal, they are inborn to our nature, and they are  'passed over' by our personal decision to accept Jesus as Lord and Savoir


*Eternal Hell teaches of a God with finite patience but an infinite capacity for retribution
+How long will a parent suffer under the rejection abd abuse of a child, before turning from them, and although they will always be a child, they may never again have the privileges and postion as an heir


*Rather than a “day of wrath”, Eternal Hell means that a trillion trillion trillion days of wrath are just the beginning
+You got this right


*Eternal Hell means that whatever else God is, God cannot be good by any reasonable definition of the word
+Relative to the definition of good, is the defining in the Bible of the what rejection means and how inherently 'not good' we are in light of a world created by a Holy God


*Eternal Hell annihilates meaning of all kinds – what is the point of doing anything but fearing eternal torture?
+Heaven and salvation are the point, the fear is gone for those who follow God


*Eternal Hell means we know God primarily as monster – monstrous judge, monstrous father, monstrous savior, etc.
+Once again How long must a parent suffer the waywardness of a child


*Eternal Hell is far beyond even the most evil we could visit upon our children – and are we not God’s children?
+Only those who receive salvation are God's children, all others are children of Satan and sin


*Eternal Hell cedes eternal victory to sin, evil and suffering
+There is 'victory in Jesus, our savoir forever'


*In contrast to scripture, Eternal Hell promises eternity to unrepentant sinners
+In scripture, Eternal Hell promises eternity to unrepentant sinners


*Eternal Hell ascribes infinitude, eternity and finality to pain, horror, despair and terror
+The key word used here is finality, but it is for sin not the rest


*A doctrine of eternal Hell puts torture at the heart of the Gospel
+The heart of the gospel is the love of God poured out in blood on a cross to redeem those who would choose to recive Jesus Christ, God's Son as the satisfactory sacrifice for their sins


*Eternal Hell makes a mystery of horrific evil – it is beyond comprehension, rather than limited and destined for defeat
+There is no mystery here, evil will be defeated and those who subscribe to its presence in this life and world will be cast into Hell for eternity


*Eternal Hell teaches of a God who is incapable of empathy – an image of God the sociopath
+God's empathy is told in the Gospel, in the life of His Son Jesus Christ, and never would a sociopath set his needs aside to provide a rescue for his victim... we are not victims, but free-will agents, responsible for our choices in this life


*Eternal Hell ascribes to human sin the power to overwhelm and defeat Jesus’ incarnation, life, death and resurrection
+Sin does not defeat God's purpose in Jesus' life, that can only be defeated by the choice to stay in our sin-filled lives, rather than receive salvation


*If there is an Eternal Hell Jesus’ incarnation, life, death and resurrection accomplish nothing definitive
+Except our rescue from Hell


*Eternal Hell breaks God’s covenants – ex: it is infinitely worse than a second Flood
+News Flash, those who died in the flood will be in Hell as well


*Eternal Hell means that God calls “good” a creation in which flawed beings can err so greatly they are tortured forever
+It was called 'good' at the time of creation, before the fall and deception of man, there is an offer on the table to correct the err as you say


*Eternal Hell means, in justification theology, that First Adam’s sin is more powerful than Second Adam’s obedience
+Actually just the opposite, the Second Adam's obedience provided the means and way to defeat the power of the First Adam's Sin and its presence throughout humanity


*Apparently Jesus descended to Hell, as in the Apostle’s Creed, but left it intact, only saving himself – cowardly
+Contrary, those who were dead without Christ were offered salvation at that time, so that death would hold no power and death would be swallowed up in victory


*Eternal Hell, if you believe in the Devil, ascribes to him victory in the vast majority of human souls
+Eternal Heaven declares his defeat and ascribes victory in Jesus


*Eternal life contrasted with annihilation more fully fits the themes and teachings of both the Old and New Testament
+The whole of scripture declares the issue of unresolved sin inherited through Adam and the absolute impossibility of a sacrifice capable of appesing God in His holiness and justice and from this the mercy and grace and love expressed by God in providing His own Son, blameless and pure to placate His wrath... as a point the refusal to accept that propitiation is very fitingly in compliance with a Hell
*For these reasons and more, eternal Hell is an unnecessary and destructive theology.
+For these reasons and more, eternal Hell is a necessary and constructive theology. 

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